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		<title>By: Damiano de Sano Iocovozzi MSN FNP CNS</title>
		<link>http://talkingpurpose.com/747/intelligent-design-does-god-exist-w-perry-marshall/comment-page-1/#comment-592</link>
		<dc:creator>Damiano de Sano Iocovozzi MSN FNP CNS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 23:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Marshall,  Your statements are pure rubbish.  Prove your statements with facts, not conjectures, wishful thinking or magical thinking.  You make also a huge error in logic as you state as fact things you, as a human being, cannot possibly know.  Scientists do not declare anything to be a fact unless it is proven over and over again.  Scientists do not blurt out statements about scientific theory without peer review, statistics and solid research.  I do not declare anything as I am not equipped to know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, nor do I care to know. I only know about the natural world from my years as an observor.  Still, our knowledge base changes constantly due to discovery and I am hesitant to declare anything.   Equally ridiculous is mythology and religious dogma that is taken literally, like intelligent design.  If fossils do not fit in to a 5,000 year old earth view, then it is suspect? Intelligent design is also pure rubbish.  Damiano de Sano Iocovozzi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Marshall,  Your statements are pure rubbish.  Prove your statements with facts, not conjectures, wishful thinking or magical thinking.  You make also a huge error in logic as you state as fact things you, as a human being, cannot possibly know.  Scientists do not declare anything to be a fact unless it is proven over and over again.  Scientists do not blurt out statements about scientific theory without peer review, statistics and solid research.  I do not declare anything as I am not equipped to know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, nor do I care to know. I only know about the natural world from my years as an observor.  Still, our knowledge base changes constantly due to discovery and I am hesitant to declare anything.   Equally ridiculous is mythology and religious dogma that is taken literally, like intelligent design.  If fossils do not fit in to a 5,000 year old earth view, then it is suspect? Intelligent design is also pure rubbish.  Damiano de Sano Iocovozzi</p>
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		<title>By: Perry Marshall</title>
		<link>http://talkingpurpose.com/747/intelligent-design-does-god-exist-w-perry-marshall/comment-page-1/#comment-582</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 17:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damiano,

You have just made a non-scientific philosophical statement. This statement falls under the category of a supernatural judgment, as it is not a scientifically verifiable truth.

Thus your statement violates its own intentions.

This is really just a secular brush-off of the most pressing life questions.

To the extent that science can prove anything, the existence of code in DNA proves a metaphysical designer. See www.cosmicfingerprints.com/proof</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damiano,</p>
<p>You have just made a non-scientific philosophical statement. This statement falls under the category of a supernatural judgment, as it is not a scientifically verifiable truth.</p>
<p>Thus your statement violates its own intentions.</p>
<p>This is really just a secular brush-off of the most pressing life questions.</p>
<p>To the extent that science can prove anything, the existence of code in DNA proves a metaphysical designer. See <a href="http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/proof">http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/proof</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Vandepas</title>
		<link>http://talkingpurpose.com/747/intelligent-design-does-god-exist-w-perry-marshall/comment-page-1/#comment-575</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Vandepas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for coming over Jeff. Appreciate your comment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for coming over Jeff. Appreciate your comment</p>
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		<title>By: Damiano de Sano Iocovozzi MSN FNP CNS</title>
		<link>http://talkingpurpose.com/747/intelligent-design-does-god-exist-w-perry-marshall/comment-page-1/#comment-574</link>
		<dc:creator>Damiano de Sano Iocovozzi MSN FNP CNS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two magisteria, the natural world and the supernatural world.  The realm of science is the natural world, the realm of what our senses tell us, the realm of what we can measure statistically. In this magisterium lives the scientific method, the hypothesis, research question and the theory which can be reproduced over and over again with the same results.  The supernatural world is the world of mythology, religion and answers humans make up to fill in for what they don&#039;t know yet scientifically. Yes, we have many gaps in our knowledge from the natural world, but to fill in those gaps in knowledge with myths, religious conjecture et al is not an answer neither.  Scientists do not pretend to know something they cannot prove.  Religionists make it up as they go.  Damiano de Sano Iocovozzi MSN FNP CNS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two magisteria, the natural world and the supernatural world.  The realm of science is the natural world, the realm of what our senses tell us, the realm of what we can measure statistically. In this magisterium lives the scientific method, the hypothesis, research question and the theory which can be reproduced over and over again with the same results.  The supernatural world is the world of mythology, religion and answers humans make up to fill in for what they don&#8217;t know yet scientifically. Yes, we have many gaps in our knowledge from the natural world, but to fill in those gaps in knowledge with myths, religious conjecture et al is not an answer neither.  Scientists do not pretend to know something they cannot prove.  Religionists make it up as they go.  Damiano de Sano Iocovozzi MSN FNP CNS</p>
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		<title>By: Perry Marshalls Products</title>
		<link>http://talkingpurpose.com/747/intelligent-design-does-god-exist-w-perry-marshall/comment-page-1/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry Marshalls Products</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 05:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Langdon Foss</title>
		<link>http://talkingpurpose.com/747/intelligent-design-does-god-exist-w-perry-marshall/comment-page-1/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Langdon Foss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 09:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perry, I&#039;ve listened to about 3/4 of your lecture to which you linked me, and I think the problem you&#039;re having is in your concept of information.  As you said, we don&#039;t listen to radio waves from the sun and suddenly hear &#039;My Sharona.&#039;  But you use this as an argument to say that the information contained in solar emanations is so low as to be considered chaos.  It is not chaos.  It is simply information that is meaningless to us.  &#039;My Sharona&#039; seems more like information because it was conceived by a human mind FOR a human mind.

Random mutation adds chaos (reduces the inforamation) of a genetic system in the sense that the information that results might not make &#039;sense&#039; to the system that decodes it.  But occasionally it will, and might contribute to the success of the organism.

You use the random ad generator you programmed as evidence that random mutation can&#039;t contibute to the information of a genetic system.  What you fail to notice is that your random character editor is going up against the most powerful engine of evolution in the world- the human imagination.  In the human imagination possibilities have the luxury of competing for viability  without undergoing the formality of actually existing.  Therefore only the most likely possibilities (ideas for advertisements) ever even enter the cultural arena.  It&#039;s not a bit surprising that an ad altered by the slow shuffle of truly random character changes can&#039;t possibly compete!  This is not proof that mutation can&#039;t contribute to information; It&#039;s an unfair and poorly-conceived contest.

Information exists everywhere, but we only consider information that makes sense to us legitimate.  Your question should be, then, &quot;why does some information make sense to us and some not?&quot;  The answer has to be, because we evolved to make sense of the information that is relevant to us.

I&#039;ll finish your lecture, Perry, but it all seems to be built on this fundamental misunderstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perry, I&#8217;ve listened to about 3/4 of your lecture to which you linked me, and I think the problem you&#8217;re having is in your concept of information.  As you said, we don&#8217;t listen to radio waves from the sun and suddenly hear &#8216;My Sharona.&#8217;  But you use this as an argument to say that the information contained in solar emanations is so low as to be considered chaos.  It is not chaos.  It is simply information that is meaningless to us.  &#8216;My Sharona&#8217; seems more like information because it was conceived by a human mind FOR a human mind.</p>
<p>Random mutation adds chaos (reduces the inforamation) of a genetic system in the sense that the information that results might not make &#8216;sense&#8217; to the system that decodes it.  But occasionally it will, and might contribute to the success of the organism.</p>
<p>You use the random ad generator you programmed as evidence that random mutation can&#8217;t contibute to the information of a genetic system.  What you fail to notice is that your random character editor is going up against the most powerful engine of evolution in the world- the human imagination.  In the human imagination possibilities have the luxury of competing for viability  without undergoing the formality of actually existing.  Therefore only the most likely possibilities (ideas for advertisements) ever even enter the cultural arena.  It&#8217;s not a bit surprising that an ad altered by the slow shuffle of truly random character changes can&#8217;t possibly compete!  This is not proof that mutation can&#8217;t contribute to information; It&#8217;s an unfair and poorly-conceived contest.</p>
<p>Information exists everywhere, but we only consider information that makes sense to us legitimate.  Your question should be, then, &#8220;why does some information make sense to us and some not?&#8221;  The answer has to be, because we evolved to make sense of the information that is relevant to us.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll finish your lecture, Perry, but it all seems to be built on this fundamental misunderstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kay</title>
		<link>http://talkingpurpose.com/747/intelligent-design-does-god-exist-w-perry-marshall/comment-page-1/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m kind of surprised Perry Marshall shared his opinions on this subject. That&#039;s not criticism, just an observation. He&#039;s a marketer, and this is a controversial topic. Well-done Michelle!
.-= Jeff Kay´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://thewvsr.com/index.php/big-snow-public-houses-and-brockly/&quot;&gt;Big Snow, Public Houses, and Brockly&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m kind of surprised Perry Marshall shared his opinions on this subject. That&#8217;s not criticism, just an observation. He&#8217;s a marketer, and this is a controversial topic. Well-done Michelle!<br />
.-= Jeff Kay´s last blog ..<a href="http://thewvsr.com/index.php/big-snow-public-houses-and-brockly/">Big Snow, Public Houses, and Brockly</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Perry Marshall</title>
		<link>http://talkingpurpose.com/747/intelligent-design-does-god-exist-w-perry-marshall/comment-page-1/#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Debbie,

I experience God on many subjective levels. Not everything needs proof. But for some people in the world, hard factual stuff is the #1 way they judge the world. I think it&#039;s important to approach this from the scientific and philosophical and logical side. Not everyone relates to that.

@David Rogers:

I beg to differ. Evolution? Yes, no problem. Science proving there is no God? Science can prove no such thing. However information theory and mathematics give 100% inference to the universe having a metaphysical origin.

@Keller:

Without man a term like &quot;DNA&quot; would not exist, but DNA would still play its role in replicating cells.

@Langdon:

Not every evidence I present is bulletproof. Some more than others. I think the most solid argument I have is &quot;If you can read this, I can prove God exists&quot; - http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/ifyoucanreadthis.htm
.-= Perry Marshall´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/perry-marshall/~3/72VH_wEcbFU/&quot;&gt;PJ Eby:  The Leverage Point &amp; the Million-Dollar Question&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Debbie,</p>
<p>I experience God on many subjective levels. Not everything needs proof. But for some people in the world, hard factual stuff is the #1 way they judge the world. I think it&#8217;s important to approach this from the scientific and philosophical and logical side. Not everyone relates to that.</p>
<p>@David Rogers:</p>
<p>I beg to differ. Evolution? Yes, no problem. Science proving there is no God? Science can prove no such thing. However information theory and mathematics give 100% inference to the universe having a metaphysical origin.</p>
<p>@Keller:</p>
<p>Without man a term like &#8220;DNA&#8221; would not exist, but DNA would still play its role in replicating cells.</p>
<p>@Langdon:</p>
<p>Not every evidence I present is bulletproof. Some more than others. I think the most solid argument I have is &#8220;If you can read this, I can prove God exists&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/ifyoucanreadthis.htm">http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/ifyoucanreadthis.htm</a><br />
.-= Perry Marshall´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/perry-marshall/~3/72VH_wEcbFU/">PJ Eby:  The Leverage Point &amp; the Million-Dollar Question</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Vandepas</title>
		<link>http://talkingpurpose.com/747/intelligent-design-does-god-exist-w-perry-marshall/comment-page-1/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Vandepas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,

I&#039;m reading the Shack right now. Thanks for the suggested you were the 2nd person to send me to the book - Now I&#039;d love to interview that author next!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reading the Shack right now. Thanks for the suggested you were the 2nd person to send me to the book &#8211; Now I&#8217;d love to interview that author next!</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://talkingpurpose.com/747/intelligent-design-does-god-exist-w-perry-marshall/comment-page-1/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michelle,

what a great interview. I like it very much because it fits so good with my beliefs. If one is interested in the question &quot;how could HE let this happen if he loves us??&quot; I really recommend reading William P. Young&#039;s book &quot;The shack&quot;. I read it and it made me cry because it is oh so true!

One thing that always comes into my mind when asking the question &quot;Am I alone, is there nobody to help me?&quot; is this little story:

When I came to the end of my life I was meeting there with God and he took me for a walk along the beach. When I looked back through my life I recognized footprints in the sand according to the several stations of my life. I saw that every single time I was struggling and fighting and having hard times, there was only one footprint so I turned to HIM and asked him: &quot;Dear God. It looks like every time it was easy throughout me life, you have been with me but why did you leave me alone, when I was struggling?&quot; And he turned to me smiling and answered: &quot;My beloved child. Every time you see only one footprint in the sand, you have not been alone! I was bearing you!&quot;

This may not be for everyone but it helped me understand that he is out there all the time taking my hand when I need his support!

Thanks Michelle for sharing this with us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michelle,</p>
<p>what a great interview. I like it very much because it fits so good with my beliefs. If one is interested in the question &#8220;how could HE let this happen if he loves us??&#8221; I really recommend reading William P. Young&#8217;s book &#8220;The shack&#8221;. I read it and it made me cry because it is oh so true!</p>
<p>One thing that always comes into my mind when asking the question &#8220;Am I alone, is there nobody to help me?&#8221; is this little story:</p>
<p>When I came to the end of my life I was meeting there with God and he took me for a walk along the beach. When I looked back through my life I recognized footprints in the sand according to the several stations of my life. I saw that every single time I was struggling and fighting and having hard times, there was only one footprint so I turned to HIM and asked him: &#8220;Dear God. It looks like every time it was easy throughout me life, you have been with me but why did you leave me alone, when I was struggling?&#8221; And he turned to me smiling and answered: &#8220;My beloved child. Every time you see only one footprint in the sand, you have not been alone! I was bearing you!&#8221;</p>
<p>This may not be for everyone but it helped me understand that he is out there all the time taking my hand when I need his support!</p>
<p>Thanks Michelle for sharing this with us!</p>
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